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Carlos Agredano
EIP: Can you introduce yourself?
CARLOS: My name is Carlos Agredano. I was born and raised in Los Angeles, and I consider myself to be a research-based conceptual artist. I’m primarily interested in the history of freeway development in 20th-century Los Angeles, particularly through the deployment of racially restrictive covenants and redlining, and analyzing the history of those discriminatory policies and how they affect Black and brown communities in the present day, namely through air pollution. The freeways have destroyed and displaced people for decades, destroyed communities, and continue to pollute the people who live around them. That’s what my art is mostly about: looking at history and how it affects the present day.
EIP: Could you tell us more about growing up in LA and its effect on making you want to create the work that you made?
CARLOS: I grew up in a town called Lynwood, which is in southeast Los Angeles. It’s between South Gate and Compton. I grew up next to the 105 and 710 freeways. The 710 freeway is known as the “diesel death corridor” because of its connection to the Ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles, where about 80% of goods come in from overseas to the entire United States. It’s one of the busiest ports in the nation so there’s always a lot of truck pollution coming in through the 710. The 105 is one of the newer freeways in Los Angeles. It was built in the 90s—but only because it was delayed for 25 years due to a lawsuit. It was originally designed to take people directly to LAX but it never quite made it there.
Every day as a kid, I remember having to sweep my room because there was always a thin layer of soot and dust that would settle overnight or throughout the day while I was in school. I grew up with asthma, allergies, and sensitivities to being outside, directly influenced by constant air pollution. I’ve always been fascinated with cars and what they’ve allowed people to do in the city. You spend your whole life in a car if you grow up here. But it wasn’t until I moved back to Los Angeles in 2020 that I started thinking about how I wanted to materialize the air pollution that shaped my life. I wanted to find ways to capture the smog and make it visible, rather than this nebulous, hard-to-grasp thing you only see in the sky.
EIP: One thing that really interests me about your work is your ability to transmute something as abstract and ephemeral as pollution and turn it into something tangible. I feel like you have a deep interest in broader destruction. What do you think about the tangibility of it through your work? And what have you learned through exploring this?
CARLOS: Well, I like the two words you used—ephemeral and abstract—to describe the material of smog—but it’s not ephemeral or abstract because it has real consequences. Its impacts happen on human bodies, through the slow growth of disease, decreased mental health, and overall contribution to a poor quality of life. There are real, tangible, material effects. It exists in people. To call it abstract or ephemeral can be misleading. It’s in the air, but it’s so small you might not think about it unless you’re forced to.
In my work, I want people to think about its materiality. I stretched canvases in my backyard for a year to show this is a year’s worth of smog. You can really see it on the canvas. It’s filthy. I’m able to capture it in a definitive way. But the challenge is: what do I do with all the smog I’ve breathed in my whole life? How do I demonstrate that? That’s the harder part, getting people to think about the larger, life-scale implications. The first step is making people understand that this is real material. It doesn’t just float away. It’s consumed, ingested, seeping into livelihoods, homes, the ground, the water, everything.
EIP: On that note, can you tell us a bit about your project “FUME” [2025] and its interest in environmental violence, and how you use measurement as material? Do you see your work as more of an art piece or scientific evidence?
CARLOS: Yeah, that’s a good question because it was my first entry point into being less abstract with the material—making pollution quantifiable. I wanted to give specific numbers showing how much pollution was in the air in a certain area. With FUME [2025], I drove a sculpture hooked to the back of my 1992 Toyota Pickup Truck to 12 different sites across Los Angeles, all next to major freeways. At each site, I invited a local LA artist to interpret their upbringing near a freeway. I started thinking a lot about evidence. What constitutes evidence? Can visual art be evidence? Or does it have to be numbers? At first, I just wanted numbers—the facts. But I think the emotional, artistic, creative production of data is also important. That could be a performance, a sculpture, a cyanotype, or a tour; they all create a public history of these sites.
I’d never call myself a scientist. But I look to science, to its conventions, and to the idea of evidence as material. This project isn’t a scientific project. But it adopts some conventions to try to make data more quantifiable. I’d never call myself a scientist. But I look to science, to its conventions, and to the idea of evidence as material. This project isn’t a scientific project. But it adopts some conventions to try to make data more quantifiable. The sculpture is designed to look like a Space Age or “Googie” styled object. It’s a direct reference to the utopian ideals of the future that emerged during the mid-century in the U.S., one that imagined automobiles as the primary vessel of transportation. Inside the all aluminum sculpture are three PurpleAir monitors, which gather information about the quality of the air where they are installed. One monitor was testing for “ambient” air quality, which is the air as we actually encounter it, the second was connected directly to my exhaust pipe as a way to measure my own emissions and address the irony of driving a gas-powered vehicle, and the third was installed inside of a modified Corsi-Rosenthal box, which is basically a cube made of air filters. The PurpleAir monitors I used can only go so far. They’re small, not industrial-grade. But I like the “citizen scientist” idea. Producing your own data, not waiting for the government to give it to you. The exciting part of the project was that 12 LA artists and I had these questions: How can we make work about this problem? How can it be used as valid data?
EIP: When we were asked to do this curatorial project, you were one of the first people we thought of. I really feel your work lies at the intersection of community activation and environmental critique. Can you speak on those recurring elements throughout your work?
CARLOS: Yeah. I almost approach it from this idea of environmental and institutional critique, thinking about the city of Los Angeles as an institution that has failed many communities through discriminatory urban planning and designing the city to benefit a select few, usually white, affluent, WASP-y communities on the West Side. I’m interested in critiquing infrastructure as an institution. That leads to a community-oriented spirit in my work. For example, the smog stones I’ll show in the forest are made by rolling clay along streets across the city to collect dust and debris. There’s a performative quality. People stop me and ask what I’m doing, prompting conversations. In that way, there are two artworks: the performance of making it and the object that results.
I’ve also partnered on workshops with East Yard Communities for Environmental Justice, an East LA organization addressing issues like polluted soil and air pollution in Mexican American and Black communities. My work is site-specific, so it’s about specific communities: Lynwood, Chinatown, Boyle Heights. I make sure the work always notes exactly where it was made and what it’s about.
EIP: You spoke earlier about how your piece “Smog Stones” [2025] consisted of both performance and the stones themselves. What is the movement between performance art and the sculptural work? And who are some of your favorite performance artists? I saw this photo while I was going through your Instagram of you pushing the ice cube—or was it a box?
CARLOS: Yeah, it’s an ice block.
EIP: The ice block. And it was paying homage to this—what’s
the artist’s name?
CARLOS: Yes, that was my Halloween costume. I love it. It was a good one.
Yeah, thank you.
EIP: But I imagine you’re inspired by his work.
CARLOS: For sure. That work in particular is about the invisible economy in Mexico City, in particular. Pushing the ice block is such an effort. The piece is [Francis Alÿs’s] “When Something Leads to Nothing” [1997]. I think of it as all this labor exerted to have the ice block melt away. At the end of the performance, there’s really nothing left, just the energy put into pushing it around. I like his engagement with the street. He’s a Belgian artist, not a native Mexican, so it becomes a little more complicated. But I like the idea of thinking of art as labor. This can be about real labor, too. In Mexico, wage discrepancies mean some people are working basically for free.
David Hammons, of course, is another big influence. A lot of his performative works—like the “Bliz-aard Ball Sale” [1983], where he arranged snowballs on the street—reminded me of Francis Alÿs’s work because you’re buying something that will cease to exist. I like David Hammons because before moving to New York, he was practicing in LA. In the ‘60s and ‘70s, he was in a group called Studio Z with Senga Nengudi, Maren Hassinger, and a few others. They were Black artists from South Central LA, and they did “Ceremony for Freeway Fets” [1978], an installation by Senga Nengudi in the ‘70s in collaboration with Caltrans.
Caltrans decides where freeways go, and they did this ceremony under the freeway, under the 10, I think. Hammons, Nengudi, and the others were performing under the freeway, with Nengudi’s sculptures wrapped around the columns. I love that engagement with the site: a freeway that’s ugly and meant to separate people, used as a place to convene and create a communal performance. Asco is another influence: an art collective from the ‘70s in
East LA. Harry Gamboa Jr., Patssi Valdez, Willie Herrón III, and Gronk. They performed in the streets and documented everything, making “No Movies”: movie stills of films that didn’t exist. Again, it’s about engaging with the street as a site for critique and artmaking. I like to think of the street as my studio because I don’t have a studio. I make things in my mom’s backyard—open air—and on the street, then figure it out.
EIP: Where did you go to school, and how do you think that has affected your practice?
CARLOS: I went to Harvard for my undergraduate degree. I studied history and literature. My thesis was on Veteranas and Rucas, an Instagram archive documenting Latina youth subcultures from 1920 to the 1990s. A lot of the archive focuses on protest through clothing and partying. There are zoot suits, worn by Chicanos and Chicanas during WWII, influenced by Black jazz musicians. They wore them during rationing as a protest against the war and discrimination against Mexican Americans in LA. Veteranas and Rucas also documents the ditch party scene of the ‘80s and ‘90s. Teens leaving high school to party in warehouses or backyards. I like that spirit of community rebellion through subculture.
While at Harvard, I took art history classes and worked at the Radcliffe Institute with two artists. One was EJ Hill, mostly a performance artist. He has a show up now at 52 Walker. He’s the reason I’m an artist. I was his assistant my junior year, spending every day in the studio working on projects about roller coasters and amusement parks, their history as discriminatory sites, safe havens for white families escaping diversifying cities. EJ made me think about infrastructure as something to critique. From the first day, he encouraged me to own being an artist.
My senior year, I worked for Gala Porras-Kim, a conceptual artist focused on repatriating stolen artifacts to their rightful owners. She critiques museums as sites of looting and colonialism. Her research-based approach influenced how I think about material and how I use writing to critique discriminatory urban histories. She encouraged me to go to graduate school, so I went to UCLA for my MFA, working with artists like Rodney McMillian, Andrea Fraser, Candice Lin, and Cameron Rowland. They shaped my mission to create work that investigates discriminatory urban planning and histories. Being back in LA for my MFA was important. I could work directly at the sites that interested me, like freeways and my childhood home.
EIP: I think a lot about this larger return you had: leaving LA, getting an education, and coming back. And how you talked about your childhood, how every day you had to sweep ash and smog. Do you think doing this repetitive motion is when you decided to become an artist? It seems like a seed that grew into what you’re doing now.
CARLOS: I guess the ingredients were always there. But truthfully, my whole adolescence—before college and even two years into college—I thought I was going to be a doctor. I had artistic tendencies, but growing up in a low-income Mexican neighborhood, the idea of being an artist wasn’t even on my radar. I didn’t know it was something you could do.
It took me a long time to accept it. But looking back, even my science fair projects were artistic in their presentation. Science and art have similar methods. You have a question, a hypothesis. I was always more interested in the visual or social components of being a doctor. So maybe sweeping soot or crafting science fair projects were the ingredients for being an artist, I just didn’t realize it. I’m grateful for EJ, Rafa Esparza, Gala, and my professors for shaping me into one.
EIP: In the work you’re placing— “Smog Stones” [2025]—there’s a bit of a comedic element in putting these man-made stones of pollution, microplastics, and debris into a forest. How do you think this context affects the work and your understanding of it? CARLOS: It’s a great question. I’ve never been to this forest, so I’m imagining. The stones have a surface layer made of debris and pollution from LA. They’re a document, kind of unassuming, maybe silly. “Okay, this is just a rock.” I think about geological time, what a rock, tree, or soil sample can tell us about an environment at a point in time. When I first made them, about five years ago, the Anthropocene was a hot topic; ; a proposed new epoch in Earth’s geological time scale, characterized by the significant and lasting impact of human activities on the planet’s geology, ecosystems, and climate. I wondered what a rock from the Anthropocene would look like, so I made these smog stones. Putting them in a lush, preserved forest is a reminder of the opposite. If there isn’t a forest, there could be an industrial wasteland. It’s like returning to a nurturing home, though I don’t know how I’ll feel until I see it.
EIP: How do you feel about them being transformed by a clean environment? And also, the history of this area. It was one of the first places in the U.S. where freed slaves could buy property, a stop on the Underground Railroad. And, a place Toni Morrison retired to. How do you see them in that environmental and sociopolitical context?
CARLOS: I think of my work as about dispossession—of people and of land. Much Black-owned land was destroyed to make way for freeways. America constantly finds ways to dispossess and disempower Black people, and in LA, Mexican people as well. The rocks are a self-portrait in a way; a proxy for people and communities discriminated against through infrastructure. So what does it mean for a polluted object to enter a lush space? Maybe not liberation, but something freeing. It’s also about imagining a future where someone can be free, without pollution, without losing their home. Maybe it’s a call to destroy freeways or reimagine cities as green spaces for everyone, not just a privileged few. In a gallery, the rocks or canvases are dirty objects in clean spaces—antagonistic, claiming space. “I’m here, I’m polluted, but who did this? It wasn’t me.”
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"content" : "EIP: Can you introduce yourself?CARLOS: My name is Carlos Agredano. I was born and raised in Los Angeles, and I consider myself to be a research-based conceptual artist. I’m primarily interested in the history of freeway development in 20th-century Los Angeles, particularly through the deployment of racially restrictive covenants and redlining, and analyzing the history of those discriminatory policies and how they affect Black and brown communities in the present day, namely through air pollution. The freeways have destroyed and displaced people for decades, destroyed communities, and continue to pollute the people who live around them. That’s what my art is mostly about: looking at history and how it affects the present day.EIP: Could you tell us more about growing up in LA and its effect on making you want to create the work that you made?CARLOS: I grew up in a town called Lynwood, which is in southeast Los Angeles. It’s between South Gate and Compton. I grew up next to the 105 and 710 freeways. The 710 freeway is known as the “diesel death corridor” because of its connection to the Ports of Long Beach and Los Angeles, where about 80% of goods come in from overseas to the entire United States. It’s one of the busiest ports in the nation so there’s always a lot of truck pollution coming in through the 710. The 105 is one of the newer freeways in Los Angeles. It was built in the 90s—but only because it was delayed for 25 years due to a lawsuit. It was originally designed to take people directly to LAX but it never quite made it there.Every day as a kid, I remember having to sweep my room because there was always a thin layer of soot and dust that would settle overnight or throughout the day while I was in school. I grew up with asthma, allergies, and sensitivities to being outside, directly influenced by constant air pollution. I’ve always been fascinated with cars and what they’ve allowed people to do in the city. You spend your whole life in a car if you grow up here. But it wasn’t until I moved back to Los Angeles in 2020 that I started thinking about how I wanted to materialize the air pollution that shaped my life. I wanted to find ways to capture the smog and make it visible, rather than this nebulous, hard-to-grasp thing you only see in the sky.EIP: One thing that really interests me about your work is your ability to transmute something as abstract and ephemeral as pollution and turn it into something tangible. I feel like you have a deep interest in broader destruction. What do you think about the tangibility of it through your work? And what have you learned through exploring this?CARLOS: Well, I like the two words you used—ephemeral and abstract—to describe the material of smog—but it’s not ephemeral or abstract because it has real consequences. Its impacts happen on human bodies, through the slow growth of disease, decreased mental health, and overall contribution to a poor quality of life. There are real, tangible, material effects. It exists in people. To call it abstract or ephemeral can be misleading. It’s in the air, but it’s so small you might not think about it unless you’re forced to.In my work, I want people to think about its materiality. I stretched canvases in my backyard for a year to show this is a year’s worth of smog. You can really see it on the canvas. It’s filthy. I’m able to capture it in a definitive way. But the challenge is: what do I do with all the smog I’ve breathed in my whole life? How do I demonstrate that? That’s the harder part, getting people to think about the larger, life-scale implications. The first step is making people understand that this is real material. It doesn’t just float away. It’s consumed, ingested, seeping into livelihoods, homes, the ground, the water, everything.EIP: On that note, can you tell us a bit about your project “FUME” [2025] and its interest in environmental violence, and how you use measurement as material? Do you see your work as more of an art piece or scientific evidence?CARLOS: Yeah, that’s a good question because it was my first entry point into being less abstract with the material—making pollution quantifiable. I wanted to give specific numbers showing how much pollution was in the air in a certain area. With FUME [2025], I drove a sculpture hooked to the back of my 1992 Toyota Pickup Truck to 12 different sites across Los Angeles, all next to major freeways. At each site, I invited a local LA artist to interpret their upbringing near a freeway. I started thinking a lot about evidence. What constitutes evidence? Can visual art be evidence? Or does it have to be numbers? At first, I just wanted numbers—the facts. But I think the emotional, artistic, creative production of data is also important. That could be a performance, a sculpture, a cyanotype, or a tour; they all create a public history of these sites.I’d never call myself a scientist. But I look to science, to its conventions, and to the idea of evidence as material. This project isn’t a scientific project. But it adopts some conventions to try to make data more quantifiable. I’d never call myself a scientist. But I look to science, to its conventions, and to the idea of evidence as material. This project isn’t a scientific project. But it adopts some conventions to try to make data more quantifiable. The sculpture is designed to look like a Space Age or “Googie” styled object. It’s a direct reference to the utopian ideals of the future that emerged during the mid-century in the U.S., one that imagined automobiles as the primary vessel of transportation. Inside the all aluminum sculpture are three PurpleAir monitors, which gather information about the quality of the air where they are installed. One monitor was testing for “ambient” air quality, which is the air as we actually encounter it, the second was connected directly to my exhaust pipe as a way to measure my own emissions and address the irony of driving a gas-powered vehicle, and the third was installed inside of a modified Corsi-Rosenthal box, which is basically a cube made of air filters. The PurpleAir monitors I used can only go so far. They’re small, not industrial-grade. But I like the “citizen scientist” idea. Producing your own data, not waiting for the government to give it to you. The exciting part of the project was that 12 LA artists and I had these questions: How can we make work about this problem? How can it be used as valid data?EIP: When we were asked to do this curatorial project, you were one of the first people we thought of. I really feel your work lies at the intersection of community activation and environmental critique. Can you speak on those recurring elements throughout your work?CARLOS: Yeah. I almost approach it from this idea of environmental and institutional critique, thinking about the city of Los Angeles as an institution that has failed many communities through discriminatory urban planning and designing the city to benefit a select few, usually white, affluent, WASP-y communities on the West Side. I’m interested in critiquing infrastructure as an institution. That leads to a community-oriented spirit in my work. For example, the smog stones I’ll show in the forest are made by rolling clay along streets across the city to collect dust and debris. There’s a performative quality. People stop me and ask what I’m doing, prompting conversations. In that way, there are two artworks: the performance of making it and the object that results.I’ve also partnered on workshops with East Yard Communities for Environmental Justice, an East LA organization addressing issues like polluted soil and air pollution in Mexican American and Black communities. My work is site-specific, so it’s about specific communities: Lynwood, Chinatown, Boyle Heights. I make sure the work always notes exactly where it was made and what it’s about.EIP: You spoke earlier about how your piece “Smog Stones” [2025] consisted of both performance and the stones themselves. What is the movement between performance art and the sculptural work? And who are some of your favorite performance artists? I saw this photo while I was going through your Instagram of you pushing the ice cube—or was it a box?CARLOS: Yeah, it’s an ice block.EIP: The ice block. And it was paying homage to this—what’sthe artist’s name?CARLOS: Yes, that was my Halloween costume. I love it. It was a good one.Yeah, thank you.EIP: But I imagine you’re inspired by his work.CARLOS: For sure. That work in particular is about the invisible economy in Mexico City, in particular. Pushing the ice block is such an effort. The piece is [Francis Alÿs’s] “When Something Leads to Nothing” [1997]. I think of it as all this labor exerted to have the ice block melt away. At the end of the performance, there’s really nothing left, just the energy put into pushing it around. I like his engagement with the street. He’s a Belgian artist, not a native Mexican, so it becomes a little more complicated. But I like the idea of thinking of art as labor. This can be about real labor, too. In Mexico, wage discrepancies mean some people are working basically for free.David Hammons, of course, is another big influence. A lot of his performative works—like the “Bliz-aard Ball Sale” [1983], where he arranged snowballs on the street—reminded me of Francis Alÿs’s work because you’re buying something that will cease to exist. I like David Hammons because before moving to New York, he was practicing in LA. In the ‘60s and ‘70s, he was in a group called Studio Z with Senga Nengudi, Maren Hassinger, and a few others. They were Black artists from South Central LA, and they did “Ceremony for Freeway Fets” [1978], an installation by Senga Nengudi in the ‘70s in collaboration with Caltrans.Caltrans decides where freeways go, and they did this ceremony under the freeway, under the 10, I think. Hammons, Nengudi, and the others were performing under the freeway, with Nengudi’s sculptures wrapped around the columns. I love that engagement with the site: a freeway that’s ugly and meant to separate people, used as a place to convene and create a communal performance. Asco is another influence: an art collective from the ‘70s inEast LA. Harry Gamboa Jr., Patssi Valdez, Willie Herrón III, and Gronk. They performed in the streets and documented everything, making “No Movies”: movie stills of films that didn’t exist. Again, it’s about engaging with the street as a site for critique and artmaking. I like to think of the street as my studio because I don’t have a studio. I make things in my mom’s backyard—open air—and on the street, then figure it out.EIP: Where did you go to school, and how do you think that has affected your practice?CARLOS: I went to Harvard for my undergraduate degree. I studied history and literature. My thesis was on Veteranas and Rucas, an Instagram archive documenting Latina youth subcultures from 1920 to the 1990s. A lot of the archive focuses on protest through clothing and partying. There are zoot suits, worn by Chicanos and Chicanas during WWII, influenced by Black jazz musicians. They wore them during rationing as a protest against the war and discrimination against Mexican Americans in LA. Veteranas and Rucas also documents the ditch party scene of the ‘80s and ‘90s. Teens leaving high school to party in warehouses or backyards. I like that spirit of community rebellion through subculture.While at Harvard, I took art history classes and worked at the Radcliffe Institute with two artists. One was EJ Hill, mostly a performance artist. He has a show up now at 52 Walker. He’s the reason I’m an artist. I was his assistant my junior year, spending every day in the studio working on projects about roller coasters and amusement parks, their history as discriminatory sites, safe havens for white families escaping diversifying cities. EJ made me think about infrastructure as something to critique. From the first day, he encouraged me to own being an artist.My senior year, I worked for Gala Porras-Kim, a conceptual artist focused on repatriating stolen artifacts to their rightful owners. She critiques museums as sites of looting and colonialism. Her research-based approach influenced how I think about material and how I use writing to critique discriminatory urban histories. She encouraged me to go to graduate school, so I went to UCLA for my MFA, working with artists like Rodney McMillian, Andrea Fraser, Candice Lin, and Cameron Rowland. They shaped my mission to create work that investigates discriminatory urban planning and histories. Being back in LA for my MFA was important. I could work directly at the sites that interested me, like freeways and my childhood home.EIP: I think a lot about this larger return you had: leaving LA, getting an education, and coming back. And how you talked about your childhood, how every day you had to sweep ash and smog. Do you think doing this repetitive motion is when you decided to become an artist? It seems like a seed that grew into what you’re doing now.CARLOS: I guess the ingredients were always there. But truthfully, my whole adolescence—before college and even two years into college—I thought I was going to be a doctor. I had artistic tendencies, but growing up in a low-income Mexican neighborhood, the idea of being an artist wasn’t even on my radar. I didn’t know it was something you could do.It took me a long time to accept it. But looking back, even my science fair projects were artistic in their presentation. Science and art have similar methods. You have a question, a hypothesis. I was always more interested in the visual or social components of being a doctor. So maybe sweeping soot or crafting science fair projects were the ingredients for being an artist, I just didn’t realize it. I’m grateful for EJ, Rafa Esparza, Gala, and my professors for shaping me into one.EIP: In the work you’re placing— “Smog Stones” [2025]—there’s a bit of a comedic element in putting these man-made stones of pollution, microplastics, and debris into a forest. How do you think this context affects the work and your understanding of it? CARLOS: It’s a great question. I’ve never been to this forest, so I’m imagining. The stones have a surface layer made of debris and pollution from LA. They’re a document, kind of unassuming, maybe silly. “Okay, this is just a rock.” I think about geological time, what a rock, tree, or soil sample can tell us about an environment at a point in time. When I first made them, about five years ago, the Anthropocene was a hot topic; ; a proposed new epoch in Earth’s geological time scale, characterized by the significant and lasting impact of human activities on the planet’s geology, ecosystems, and climate. I wondered what a rock from the Anthropocene would look like, so I made these smog stones. Putting them in a lush, preserved forest is a reminder of the opposite. If there isn’t a forest, there could be an industrial wasteland. It’s like returning to a nurturing home, though I don’t know how I’ll feel until I see it.EIP: How do you feel about them being transformed by a clean environment? And also, the history of this area. It was one of the first places in the U.S. where freed slaves could buy property, a stop on the Underground Railroad. And, a place Toni Morrison retired to. How do you see them in that environmental and sociopolitical context?CARLOS: I think of my work as about dispossession—of people and of land. Much Black-owned land was destroyed to make way for freeways. America constantly finds ways to dispossess and disempower Black people, and in LA, Mexican people as well. The rocks are a self-portrait in a way; a proxy for people and communities discriminated against through infrastructure. So what does it mean for a polluted object to enter a lush space? Maybe not liberation, but something freeing. It’s also about imagining a future where someone can be free, without pollution, without losing their home. Maybe it’s a call to destroy freeways or reimagine cities as green spaces for everyone, not just a privileged few. In a gallery, the rocks or canvases are dirty objects in clean spaces—antagonistic, claiming space. “I’m here, I’m polluted, but who did this? It wasn’t me.” "
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"content" : "After a full year of independent publishing, we’re finally holding our ninth issue in hand. On the cover: Francesca Albanese, eyes closed, lips curved in a sweet, knowing smile, photographed by Misan Harriman—and this moment struck me: Everything Is Political has quietly shifted into something far more mainstream than most would admit.Our week opened with a powerful wave: dozens of actors pledging not to work with studios complicit in funding Israel’s genocidal campaign in Gaza. That momentum soared when the Wembley Benefit Concert announced Portishead is reuniting for Palestine—alongside dozens more artists joining the star-studded lineup.Meanwhile, the film The Voice of Hind Rajab just won the Grand Jury Prize at the 2025 Venice Film Festival, spotlighting Hind’s mother’s desperate plea to flee Gaza amid life-threatening danger. When American media initially misrepresented Hind—a six-year-old girl—as “a woman killed in Gaza,” it was a glaring injustice. But we cannot—and will not—let Hind’s voice be silenced or distorted.These may feel like small victories against the backdrop of Israel’s ongoing, brutal onslaught. Yet when the U.S. Department of Defense even toys with rebranding itself the “Department of War,” you know there’s an abyss of militarism and empire at play. That’s precisely why cultural wins matter: culture shifts policy. In an era riddled with despair—from climate collapse to genocide in Gaza, Sudan, Congo, Syria—these cracks in the façade are profound.We see the world stirring: Indonesians setting fire to their parliament, Nepal rising against censorship, mounting humanitarian crises spurring uprisings the world over.Everything Is Political stands at the crossroads of these struggles. We’re expanding our infrastructure to safeguard free expression, cultural self-determination, and the sacredness of the First Amendment.Unlike the fragile, capitalist platforms of Silicon Valley—the whims of Patreon, GoFundMe, or even the hottest newcomers like Substack—our infrastructure is built by you. Member-funded, sovereign, resilient. Soon, we’ll be able to bring hundreds more voices into our fold without ever compromising our independence.We are a true collective—the diaspora, the displaced, the Global South at home and on the move. We print. We archive. We amplify. We connect dots where no one else will.If you haven’t already, consider joining us. A yearly membership brings you our printed issues delivered to your door—and, more critically, sustains the independent media ecosystems we all rely on.Our infrastructures matter now more than ever—your support keeps them alive."
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"title" : "The Art of Witnessing",
"author" : "Misan Harriman, Céline Semaan",
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"date" : "2025-09-08 10:11:00 -0400",
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"content" : "CÉLINE: I came across your work as a fashion photographer, and I want to talk about your trajectory from fashion to politics. Obviously, everything is political. How has the industry responded, both publicly and behind closed doors, to your vocal support for Palestine?MISAN: I am so disappointed in many industries, but the fashion industry in particular has really surprised me, because so much of its wealth has come out of the Global South, and so much of its value chain is built off the backs of those in the Global South. They have been somewhat vocal about the things that are safe to be vocal about over the years: queer rights, climate, and Black Lives Matter. However, I’ve never seen such silence over Palestine, across the board. I can’t think of a big fashion influencer who has made a very strong statement on Palestine at all in the last two years, at least in film and music. We can pick a handful, but I’m just thinking of a fashion icon, a big, big name, whether they’re a model, fashion designer, or fashion editor; I can’t think of one.My life was changed by shooting a Vogue cover. I cannot deny that. I was ushered into that world without necessarily asking for it. It just happened. And once I got into that world, I realized very quickly that I was a very different character. You only have to go to a few of the parties and meet some of the characters to realize that, beneath the surface, there is not much there. “I must be a mermaid, Rango. I have no fear of depths and a great fear of shallow living.” I love that Anais Nin quote so much.It’s been really sad because for many women, in particular, fashion has been a singular pillar to hold on to, a way to resist, to thrive, to show who they are against all odds. And for that not to enter this moment we’re in now is deeply disappointing. Fashion has co-opted our trauma. There was the Met Gala this year, highlighting Black dandyism. Anna Wintour is a genius in marketing, and she understands what culture and the zeitgeist is. But there’s a bigger question about how Black culture has been wrapped around white supremacy for too long, whether it’s in sports, music, or film. We have to ask ourselves whether Black excellence hasn’t become part of an imperial structure. I DMed some of my brothers who were involved in this, saying that if they were going to do it, then they should make sure that they have a moment at the Met on the red carpet for the children of Congo, the children of Sudan, and the children of Gaza. I said that if they did that, I would fly to New York with my camera and shoot it. Some of the proceeds would go to medical aid for Palestine. I didn’t hear back from a damn person.In Kendrick’s performance during the Super Bowl, it wasn’t Kendrick who gave permission to that dancer to run with the Sudanese and Palestinian flags, yet the whole show was using revolutionary imagery. It was the most watched show in the world, and it’s literally a show about revolution, and yet we’re living through our Vietnam. You used to see people like Marlon Brando and Charlton Heston, who were complicated white men, march in Washington with MLK and other black civil rights leaders. We don’t have that kind of intersectionality at all right now. We don’t have a Palestine Liberation Movement in the way I wish we had. The irony is that the same demons are at the top of it all: imperialism, extractive capitalism, overt, historical and current white supremacy.CÉLINE: How did you enter the conversation on Palestine? Because you’ve been a powerful voice in documenting uprisings and moments of truth. What was the turning point for you, personally, that led you to speak out about Palestine, despite all the risks for your career and your reputation? It doesn’t come without stigma. What was it for you that was a turning point?MISAN: I’ve always had Palestinian friends. I’ve always had Arab friends. Muslim and Arab people are part of my soul. Our shared collective traumas are so similar in so many ways. I’ve known human beings that the world has told me are terrorists. I went to boarding school, and the Black boys and the Arab boys… we survived together. But there’s also the thing that (before October 7) really made me think… It wasn’t just the assassination of Shireen Abu Akleh (a Palestinian-American journalist who was killed by Israeli forces in May of 2022). That was bad enough, but what changed me, almost at a molecular level, were the images of her funeral. When I saw the IDF soldiers beating up her family members whilst they were holding her coffin. For me, that was it. You don’t need to explain or debate anything else. I was like, okay, I need to do more.How did we get to the place where the security apparatus for a nation that calls itself the only democracy in the Middle East can beat up family members at a funeral of their sister, a woman who was assassinated in cold blood just for trying to make sure the truth stayed in the room? I read everything I could. Also, I have a family connection with apartheid. My father had one brother… the two Harriman men were very well known in Nigeria. One went to Oxford, one went to Cambridge; it’s kind of like the Cain and Abel story in many ways. Both were brilliant men. My dad became this huge industrialist, but my father’s brother became the first chairman of the United Nations Special Committee Against Apartheid. If you Google Ambassador Leslie Harriman, a picture of him smoking a cigar in traditional Nigerian dress with Muhammad Ali in the UN pops up. Activism, working against apartheid, is part of my family heritage.And then there’s a small detail of me being born in Nigeria, and my parents being born in Nigeria, which was an occupied country by the same folks that created this mess in the first place. Nigeria, which is now Africa’s most populous country, was named by Flora Shaw, Baroness Lugard, a white lady. Imagine the power of that. One person named us, like my children named their teddy bears. I have some stock in the game. How the hell could I see the West Bank and Gaza and not recognize what was being done to them from my own heritage and lived experience of the colonial mess that all of us were born into? I read about the Sykes-Picot Agreement (a 1916 secret treaty between the United Kingdom and France, with assent from Russia and Italy, to define their mutually agreed spheres of influence and control in an eventual partition of the Ottoman Empire – Wikipedia), and I realized what was done to the Arab people.CÉLINE: Historically, there is solidarity between Black and Arab liberation movements, African and Middle Eastern solidarity. For instance, after Malcolm X traveled to Palestine, the struggle for Black liberation in America became grounded and rooted in liberation for Palestinians. Often this discourse is erased when we talk about Malcolm X. Lisa al Hassan who is Syrian and one of our fellows and advisors at slow factory, did her PhD on Malcolm X and his connection to Palestine and all the work he did to legitimize the solidarity between Black Americans and Palestinians… there is a larger solidarity between Black and Arab folks internationally. And you just pointed to it so perfectly…MISAN: There is a community in Palestine of Nigerians… Nigerian families that have been there for over 100 years. People forget that there are black Palestinians. No one in the Western media wants Black folk in the Western world to understand that. People find that to be a very dangerous thing for obvious reasons. Palestine has taken off the veil of what the world is. There is the madness of the colonial settler project all around the West Bank. There is the ridiculous categorization of Palestinians as Arab Israelis. What’s happening in Palestine is making mothers in Ohio wake up to the fact that the US military machine isn’t the good guy. Something about this moment has lifted the veil not just on imperialism and the for-profit war machine, but on the fact that many of us were like spectators in the Coliseum, watching Gladiators fight to the death during the Roman Empire, not realizing that everything was falling apart as we were being entertained. Russell Crowe’s character in Gladiator asks, “Are you not entertained?”We’ve been dumbed down by going to Taylor Swift and Beyoncé concerts. We have been dumbed down by being hyper-focused on tribalization, on whether you support Arsenal, or you’re a Chicago Bulls fan; we have been dumbed down by the post 9/11 racism. The dehumanization of Black and Brown identities through entertainment is effective. Claire Danes running around the Middle East in Homeland, or a myriad of different films where the baddie, an Arab man, is either a rich fool or a terrorist. He cannot be a philosopher or a teacher or a lover or a father or just a deeply complicated, nuanced, imperfect soul who deserves a right to thrive. The Arab woman has been reduced to some sort of terrorist bride. I have bathed in the history of our collective past in a way that few in my position have. There’s a reason why I’m not asked to be interviewed on big shows…CÉLINE: I didn’t know the depth of your understanding of all this. I’m delighted. What an alignment. This is exactly why we created this platform. We are building collective liberation with our work through our ethnic struggles. It’s not an isolated struggle.MISAN: We’re dealing with a very well-organized machine… Zionism is part of a bigger, and in many ways uglier machine, which is capitalism. That’s what’s making this world so wounded, whether we’re talking about climate or marginalized groups like the Trans community. I can understand how many people are scared to resist because the cost is usually to their livelihood, and that’s what’s so dangerous about this for artists. Many artists are with us, maybe not in the same way I am… they haven’t gone down your rabbit hole or mine, but they recognize that children shouldn’t be treated in this way. They recognize that apartheid and settler colonialism are wrong, but they also have a team of publicists and managers who are telling them that they will never work again. I think of Omar El Akkad’s book title, One Day, Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This.I’m not here to judge; if anything, I’m here to say, hold my hand, and we’ll figure out how to build a new circular economy to support all of us. I was talking to Malak Mattar (a great Palestinian artist), and I’m just like, it’s crazy that there isn’t a fund designed to make sure poets, dancers, filmmakers, photographers, all of us, don’t second guess, as we charge ahead, using our art as one of the great soft powers of resistance. And she’s like, but that’s how they win, right? There’s so much Arab wealth, Global South wealth… If one percent of it was used to make sure art survives… we are fighting tooth and nail to keep the lights on, because 99% of the real money is in Blackrock and mega hedge funds. There’s a reason why someone like Zuckerberg can come up with an idea, a good idea.How many Arab women have been invested in on the tech side of things? I know investment in Black women is next to zero. I’m pretty sure it’s the same for Arab women. Most founders of the big unicorns that are destroying the world right now are men. In fact, almost all of them, whether it’s Elon Musk or Jeff Zucker, former President of CNN, are men. I think that’s something that we really must look at. I do not believe women are perfect, but there is something within matriarchy that hasn’t got that scorched earth button. I did some research on mass shootings in America, and I think there has only been one woman who has committed a mass shooting in almost 100 years, which is crazy, because women are abused. Women have crazy dads who give them a machine gun for their 16th birthday, but there’s something that stops a woman from walking into a school and just spraying babies to death. I then went further and looked at women on death row, and most of the women on death row had done awful things, but they were singular in nature. Poisoning your husband because he fell in love with someone else, that kind of thing. They weren’t massacring children. Since that’s the case, don’t you think that maybe we should have women in the room when it comes to military decisions, when it comes to how much we spend on defense, when it comes to our health care, when it comes to climate?Most of the horrible decisions that have been made, like dropping nuclear bombs, have been made by men. I hate the sexist, misogynistic retort, “What about Margaret Thatcher?” She had to become the machine to get to where she got to. She had to turn herself into part of the patriarchy. In order to be in a position of power, she had to become part of the same machine that is destroying all of us.CÉLINE: My philosophy teacher in Lebanon said, “Oppressive systems are afraid of two things, love and ideas, because both of these things open up the door to possibilities. It’s not the system. It’s just a system. And so when you say that artists like Malak Mattar and Slow Factory and creatives should be supported, you are literally calling for disruption. True disruption comes from the arts, from freedom of expression. True creativity is feared; that is why PBS is being defunded and Colbert is being canceled. We’re seeing all the things at the intersection of education and entertainment being taken down. Why is that?MISAN: It’s the greatest weapon we have. It’s the only magic that Homo Sapiens have. Otherwise, we are the same as the primordial soup we came from. It’s what sets us apart from the rest of the natural world and makes us really, really special. I was worried about my show, only because of the crazy, unhinged response people have to anything that humanizes the Palestine Solidarity movement. This is why, for years, artists were arrested and killed, and archives were destroyed. No one has ever come after me for my images of women’s rights and the anti-racist movement. But there’s something about how I’ve managed to shoot Palestinian protests in LA and Johannesburg… At the time of this interview, the show has only been open to the public for five days… but the gallery space has already become a sanctuary. At the opening, a Lebanese lady collapsed and fell into my arms. She looked up at me with red eyes and said, “Now I know what art is.” So many Arab men, Muslim men, walk in and cry, and then I get phone calls from powerful forces who damn near threaten my life and tell me to shut it down.CÉLINE: That’s why we want to print it. That’s why we want it everywhere. That’s why we want to support it.MISAN: I found a very brave Black-owned gallery to take this on. You know, as well as I do, that this show would never be at the Tate. It would never be at any of the major spaces. Yet, everyone has the subject on their minds. How does that make sense?CÉLINE: We have the superpower to bring to life things that are being experienced and ignored, or silenced, or purposefully kept quiet. There is a war on our bodies, on our land, on the Palestinian bodies, on the Sudanese bodies, on the Congolese bodies, on the Asian bodies, on the Tibetan bodies. And, there is a global movement of liberation. Palestine is the soul of that. Because, as you said, what’s happening in Gaza and the worldwide protests in response to the genocide are awakening people. People are seeing pictures of people uprising, of people rising into courage. That’s what this is about. This is about uplifting, showing that there is a door, there is a way, there is a path. That you don’t need to sit in pain. You can do something. What is the ultimate action you wish to inspire through your work?MISAN: I want people to know that they’re not alone. Nina Simone was asked, “What does freedom mean for you?” And she said two words, “No fear.” I can feel you shaking when you look at my photos… let’s let that vibration become purpose, and let’s keep walking. I hate to bring this up, but we don’t have a choice in terms of the attention economics of our time. What I mean by that is the most followed people in the world are celebrities, sports figures, singers, and actors… The reason I’m behind the scenes doing everything I can to make some of the biggest ones speak is not because I look up to them… I think many of them are false idols, straight up. But human nature is a very interesting thing. And politicians will not make decisions out of their moral compass. But they will make decisions out of vanity, and the court of public opinion. And I’m telling you now, if you had the soccer stars, Cristiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi, David Beckham, and Mo Salah, the whole Kardashian clan, and Adele come together, week in and week out, demanding our politicians do something, it would make a huge difference…The public is with us. In the rain yesterday, at the protest in London, we were there in the 1000s… I’m a Save the Children Ambassador for UNICEF, which is the biggest humanitarian agency for children. UNICEF has one job, which is to protect children globally… and yet there are children in a postage stamp-sized place with no airport that is walled in, where they are being shot by snipers, and rotting in incubators… There are Save the Children ambassadors, some of the most famous people in the world, who haven’t said anything. I’m just keeping it real with you. I’m the least famous kind of global ambassador for some of these large organizations. And many people say I’m the most vocal. It’s madness. I am not here to scream at you, “How dare you?” It’s past that. There are too many babies dying. I’m on my fucking knees begging you to say something. But if you don’t want to say something, leave these organizations and get busy living your fabulous life, ignoring the humanity of the children that need you most, but do not stay associated in any way with a children’s charity and say nothing for the children of Gaza, specifically Gaza…"
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"title" : "Malak Mattar: I couldn’t see colors anymore",
"author" : "Malak Mattar, Céline Semaan",
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"date" : "2025-09-08 10:10:59 -0400",
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"content" : "CÉLINE: Where are you now? In which part of the world?MALAK: I live in London now.CÉLINE: How was your show?MALAK: It was a group show with other artists, mostly Turkish and Lebanese. It was a really fun experience. The theme was about home and belonging.CÉLINE: I wanted to ask you, in your work, there is a palpable sense of home, of belonging. As a Palestinian artist, how do you navigate the line between your personal and the political in your paintings?MALAK: I don’t feel like there’s anything to align between the personal and the political, because everything I do, whether I like it or not, is political, but I always make sure that it reflects my own personal thoughts, my personal feelings, my family, everything in my present life…CÉLINE: Your art has traveled beyond Gaza; it’s reaching international audiences. What does it mean for you to share your art with the rest of the world, to share how it has been for you as a Palestinian person?MALAK: It feels like a beauty being postponed, and it’s like growing up. You grow up as an artist, and you’re given this title, not only as an artist, but as a voice.Every time I speak to my family back home, it’s like, what are you working on? Are you producing paintings? Can you share our struggle? Can you share what we are going through? Can you make our voices heard? When my work reaches beyond my studio, it feels like I’m doing what I can, I’m fulfilling my role as a creative.CÉLINE: Do you feel like it is your responsibility as an artist to carry the voices and the stories of your people?MALAK: Absolutely. Throughout our history, art has always reflected and documented the political struggle, starting with artists who painted the Nakba, painted their personal stories in 1948 when they were displaced. I found, while growing up in Palestine, an art scene that was blooming and expanding despite the restrictions [by the Occupation] on art materials. Artists have always been very resilient… making alternatives to paints, by using natural pigments, alternatives to canvas, by using other paper, and other materials. Every time art supplies were banned or restricted, artists came up with alternatives. Creation is urgent in the context of Palestine.CÉLINE: Where did you grow up?MALAK: In Gaza.CÉLINE: Who are the artists who have inspired you?MALAK: I was exposed to Western art in my family house: Van Gogh’s flowers, Edgar Degas’ dancers, Leonardo DaVinci… I saw these reproductions on the walls growing up. My maternal uncle, Nimit Abu Mazen, is an art professor, but he’s also a multimedia artist. He was born in the ‘50s, and he was a teacher for decades, but it’s important to mention that the United Nations commissioned him to do all the school boards in Arabic. For decades, he worked on that while also teaching. His production was very slow, but his work was very, very beautiful. It focused on women from Palestine… So I grew up in a very artistic household.CELINE: You mentioned restrictions on canvases. What other things was the Israeli occupation forbidding from entering the Gaza Strip when it comes to art materials?MALAK: I struggled to find canvases, especially after wars, and it took months, sometimes a year… At times, I actually had to smuggle canvases into Gaza… usually through expats who worked in Jerusalem. They bought canvases and brushes and came to Gaza. They were not checked by the soldiers, so they were able to bring art supplies. And that’s how I used to paint in 2021 because for months after the May attack, art supplies were not allowed entry… The art supply stores were bombed in 2021. There’s one store called Pins and Pens. It was in the very center of the city, and it was demolished. And there’s another art supply store that was also demolished. The destruction of art and culture has been going on for many, many years, not just since October.CELINE: Why do you think the Israeli occupation is afraid of art?MALAK: They’re afraid of humanization. I would say it’s not art in particular, but any act of us celebrating or painting or writing and sharing poetry is seen as a threat. When the state is built on the delusion that the Other or the Indigenous doesn’t matter, they are dehumanized. When the Indigenous are called vulgar and are labeled as terrorists, you strip away their humanity. So, any act of humanization becomes a threat because it radically changes the narrative. These people have artists, artistry, an art scene, and art centers. They celebrate theaters. They have book launches. They have music conservatories. Then, they’re not quite the terrorists that the media has portrayed them as…CELINE: In your paintings, you often use vivid colors and almost dream-like images. What role does symbolism play in your work? And what do you hope your viewers take away from these images?MALAK: I started painting in 2014 following the murder of my neighbor. She was standing in front of me, two blocks away, and she was torn into pieces. And growing up in the art environment, I was always painting, but not in a cathartic way and not on a daily basis. But since that time, I was driven by an urgency to make political art. I needed to find a way to survive and to distract myself from what I was seeing. There was destruction, there was blood, there was motherhood under bombardment. Then, I started gaining more attention and a following. This gave me a lot of hope. That my struggle was seen. That there were people who really cared. That gave me a sense of mission.My work started becoming more a celebration, more beautiful. I celebrated the sun, birds, the flowers, and the beauty of the landscape, which I had enjoyed growing up. But then, after October 7, I stopped using colors. I was like, khallas (in Arabic, primarily means “done,” “finished,” “it’s over,” or “enough,” Google AI). This was beyond my worst expectations. I departed from my older style, which was vivid and beautiful, because I just couldn’t see colors anymore. It’s such a depressing time. I’m now slowly going back to colors, but not with the same sense of joy, because I struggle to find joy when my people are being starved.CÉLINE: Yeah… what colors are you using now?MALAK: I am using mostly black and white. There is one I showed from 2021; it’s called You and I, which is like two figures embracing each other. And the rest was work I did recently. One of them is a large painting called Gaza. It’s a Phoenix with other elements.CÉLINE: What is coming for you in the next few months? Your career as an artist has been blossoming. You just illustrated the book of Francesca Albanese (an Italian legal scholar and expert on human rights who has served as the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories since May 1, 2022, Wikipedia). How did that come about? You and Francesca collaborating together, and what’s coming up for you in the next six months?MALAK: I met Francesca back in 2010. There is a chapter in her book about how we met, about my life story, and our first meeting in London. When exhibition that the school held, and Francesca was visiting. She asked me if I was selling my work. And I was like, no, they’re not for sale. I was very shy, but then a few years later, she discovered my work, and she made the connection that I was the same child she had met back in 2010, and then we met in London. We spoke, I went to her events, and we had dinners together. And, yeah, before the book came about, she said that she would love to have my work on the cover.CÉLINE: I love that for you. In the face of ongoing displacement and violence in Palestine, how do you see your work being of service… I think you touched on it in the beginning, saying that it’s the humanization. But if you can expand a little bit more on that and tell me how your work is really an instrument of the liberation.MALAK: Two million people are starving. When I think of that, it makes me feel that I’m not really doing anything, and then I’m dismissive of my work. I’m being honest. I’m just really doing my role as an artist. Yes, I’m part of the culture. But it’s hard for me to say anything when the genocide is still running, when people are really starving. I don’t feel like liberation can happen from London; I don’t think liberation happens from Paris. We’re protesting, and that’s what we should do. It’s an active protest. In this moment of our history, we are in so much pain and so much trauma…CÉLINE: I also feel like we are not doing anything or enough. Nothing feels enough. How do you feel about that?MALAK: It sucks. It’s like this feeling of helplessness. But I also don’t blame myself, because I know that it’s bigger than us.CÉLINE: Did you lose your home?MALAK: The family house: it has been flattened. My uncle’s collection, the work he collected… it has all been flattened.CÉLINE: Oh my God, I’m so sorry. How long have you been in London?MALAK: I left the day before the seventh of October.CÉLINE: Oh, my God, really? How did you manage to leave?MALAK: I was doing my Master of Fine Arts in London at Central Saint Martins. And I was supposed to leave in September, and I couldn’t; I went to the border, and they sent me back. They finally let me cross the border on the fifth of October, through Jordan, and then the sixth of October was officially my first day in London.CÉLINE: And the next day, October 7.MALAK: I saw the news, and I was like, I’ve got things to do. I’m running late to my class. But then my mom texted me. She said, the minute I left, they bombed my school. Then they started their evacuation journey. The men got separated from the women, and then they all went south. I come from the north, from Gaza City. But they all went south and stayed there for months, and then they managed to leave.CÉLINE: Now they are gone?MALAK: Yeah, they are. They left in March 2024, to Egypt for one year, and they came to London just last month. Yes, we are united. And I had to go to the court to bring them here legally, because they were not allowed entry to the UK. Their visas were rejected. So we had to fight for that family reunification."
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